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Ed R
I don’t think anyone is surprised by your comments. Many Christian pastors have been saying the Holocaust was God’s will for years; John Hagee is one of many of them. Everything is God’s will right? 20 to 30 thousand innocent children die of malnutrition or easily curable diseases every day. God’s will correct? Adolf Hitler wanted to form a society in which all people worshiped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933. The Nazis didn’t just murder 6 million Jews, 5 million other Aryan pagans and atheists were also rounded up and murdered for their non-belief in Christ. Do you think the murder of those unbelievers was God’s will too?
For me the Holocaust is proof enough that there is no God. As a person of Jewish ancestry I don’t so much want to judge you as what you said. You’re delusional. What you said is dangerous. It’s the kind of thinking that has kept human beings killing each other ever since we’ve been civilized enough to know better. The mind that can justify the atrocities supposedly ordered by the God of the Old Testament can justify the Holocaust and any other atrocity as long as they believe it’s “God’s will.” With or without the Holocaust there should not be a nation of Israel. The Jewish people have no right, divine or otherwise to any of the land they currently occupy. History is not going to look kindly on American support for the current Jewish policy of apartheid in Palestine.
You said: “The Exodus, and the events leading to the Exodus were told to Abraham before his death.” The problem with that is that none of the events of the Exodus are told to us by the Egyptians. Historical narratives never contain word for word dialog with people, or gods and people speaking in complete sentences. When we read dialog in a narrative we are always reading fiction. There are no exceptions to this rule. The Bible is religious fiction, not history. A catastrophic event such as the Passover event in which every Egyptian first-born child and animal all died on one night could not have gone unnoticed and unreported in the large collection of historical inscriptions we have from ancient Egypt. Such an event, had it really occurred, would have left a mountain of historical as well as archaeological evidence; same with the supposed subsequent forty year wondering in the desert. Yet for these two events we have not even one shred of evidence that they ever really happened. Anthropologists and archaeologists can trace the travels of hunter-gatherers who lived in that desert region 30,000 years ago but can’t even find a potsherd from the millions of Israelites who supposedly wandered the same desert for 40 years only 3000 years ago.
If government is a tool of God then clearly it is the job of Christians to obey the laws, and the laws of this government clearly state that abortion is legal. So Christians need to respect and honor that law, right? In the Bible God commands them to not to disobey, which entails attempting to get the law overturned. If God wanted abortion to be illegal he wouldn’t have appointed authorities to make it legal. So the proper Christian position on abortion is pro-choice correct? Or perhaps the government isn’t really a tool of God but you’re a tool of God who speaks for God and government.
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Ed R I don’t think anyone
Ed R
I don’t think anyone is surprised by your comments. Many Christian pastors have been saying the Holocaust was God’s will for years; John Hagee is one of many of them. Everything is God’s will right? 20 to 30 thousand innocent children die of malnutrition or easily curable diseases every day. God’s will correct? Adolf Hitler wanted to form a society in which all people worshiped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933. The Nazis didn’t just murder 6 million Jews, 5 million other Aryan pagans and atheists were also rounded up and murdered for their non-belief in Christ. Do you think the murder of those unbelievers was God’s will too?
For me the Holocaust is proof enough that there is no God. As a person of Jewish ancestry I don’t so much want to judge you as what you said. You’re delusional. What you said is dangerous. It’s the kind of thinking that has kept human beings killing each other ever since we’ve been civilized enough to know better. The mind that can justify the atrocities supposedly ordered by the God of the Old Testament can justify the Holocaust and any other atrocity as long as they believe it’s “God’s will.” With or without the Holocaust there should not be a nation of Israel. The Jewish people have no right, divine or otherwise to any of the land they currently occupy. History is not going to look kindly on American support for the current Jewish policy of apartheid in Palestine.
You said: “The Exodus, and the events leading to the Exodus were told to Abraham before his death.” The problem with that is that none of the events of the Exodus are told to us by the Egyptians. Historical narratives never contain word for word dialog with people, or gods and people speaking in complete sentences. When we read dialog in a narrative we are always reading fiction. There are no exceptions to this rule. The Bible is religious fiction, not history. A catastrophic event such as the Passover event in which every Egyptian first-born child and animal all died on one night could not have gone unnoticed and unreported in the large collection of historical inscriptions we have from ancient Egypt. Such an event, had it really occurred, would have left a mountain of historical as well as archaeological evidence; same with the supposed subsequent forty year wondering in the desert. Yet for these two events we have not even one shred of evidence that they ever really happened. Anthropologists and archaeologists can trace the travels of hunter-gatherers who lived in that desert region 30,000 years ago but can’t even find a potsherd from the millions of Israelites who supposedly wandered the same desert for 40 years only 3000 years ago.
If government is a tool of God then clearly it is the job of Christians to obey the laws, and the laws of this government clearly state that abortion is legal. So Christians need to respect and honor that law, right? In the Bible God commands them to not to disobey, which entails attempting to get the law overturned. If God wanted abortion to be illegal he wouldn’t have appointed authorities to make it legal. So the proper Christian position on abortion is pro-choice correct? Or perhaps the government isn’t really a tool of God but you’re a tool of God who speaks for God and government.