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Sure the majority of people in the Western cultures, even non-Christians have believed that Jesus was a historical person. That only speaks to the great propaganda job the Christian Church has been able to pull off because when you actually look at what Christian apologists throw out there as extra-biblical “evidence” for a historical Jesus it’s ludicrous. It’s proof that there isn’t any evidence that Jesus Christ actually existed, is what it is. No one would accept hearsay accounts from 60 to 82 years after the supposed fact as evidence for anything and NO ONE would try to use this flimsy “evidence” to prove anything if they had ANYTHING else. Steve, appeals to authority are a logical fallacy. I don’t care what “scholars” who believe in angels, demons and an absurd being like Satan believe about their Jesus. Let’s see what evidence from outside the Bible YOU or anyone else on this blog can come up with to make a case that Jesus Christ actually existed. Why do you have to rely on what other people have said or what they believed? If there’s evidence for your case, produce it. I say there isn’t and the appeal to what the masses have believed is a mere smokescreen. I honestly think most Christians are afraid to peek behind that smokescreen and see how weak their case actually is.
Now let me address Steve’s statement that I believe “We are all just advanced animals living meaningless lives with no freewill and no ultimate purpose for living.” The fact that life is inherently meaningless and has no ultimate purpose is not a bad thing. This means that each one of us can give our own lives whatever meaning and purpose we choose, which is not only freewill, it’s the ultimate free lunch. My father told me never to turn down a free meal. I’m enjoying life to its fullest and I’m a very happy person. One of the greatest fears a Christian has is that other people are enjoying life, doing things that Christians cannot, or can’t without immense guilt anyway, and we’re not going to face any kind of judgment for it. The Christians fear all their sacrifice is for nothing, and they KNOW the rest of us or a lot happier than they are because we aren’t torturing ourselves with other people’s delusions.
I don’t have my own radio show but I have been the only guest on a couple different Christian radio programs, one on the same network Steve is on and my Emails were the subject of 2 hour long shows hosted by Gary DeMar. I have book that should get published within a year and I’ll be glad to let anyone interested sample some of the material in it.
One of the most condescending things a theist can do to an atheist is to make a point of announcing that they'll be praying for us. Atheists don't believe in the power of prayer, but even theists can't think that prayer will be more effective for having announced. So what's the purpose? Some say that it's to express well-wishes, but people say that they'll pray for someone when the person is sick or having trouble. One way or another, the theist appears to be expressing superiority over atheists in a passive-aggressive manner. That suggests they weren't interested in serious conversation to begin with. - By Austin Cline, originally on about.com
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Sure the majority of people
Sure the majority of people in the Western cultures, even non-Christians have believed that Jesus was a historical person. That only speaks to the great propaganda job the Christian Church has been able to pull off because when you actually look at what Christian apologists throw out there as extra-biblical “evidence” for a historical Jesus it’s ludicrous. It’s proof that there isn’t any evidence that Jesus Christ actually existed, is what it is. No one would accept hearsay accounts from 60 to 82 years after the supposed fact as evidence for anything and NO ONE would try to use this flimsy “evidence” to prove anything if they had ANYTHING else. Steve, appeals to authority are a logical fallacy. I don’t care what “scholars” who believe in angels, demons and an absurd being like Satan believe about their Jesus. Let’s see what evidence from outside the Bible YOU or anyone else on this blog can come up with to make a case that Jesus Christ actually existed. Why do you have to rely on what other people have said or what they believed? If there’s evidence for your case, produce it. I say there isn’t and the appeal to what the masses have believed is a mere smokescreen. I honestly think most Christians are afraid to peek behind that smokescreen and see how weak their case actually is.
Now let me address Steve’s statement that I believe “We are all just advanced animals living meaningless lives with no freewill and no ultimate purpose for living.” The fact that life is inherently meaningless and has no ultimate purpose is not a bad thing. This means that each one of us can give our own lives whatever meaning and purpose we choose, which is not only freewill, it’s the ultimate free lunch. My father told me never to turn down a free meal. I’m enjoying life to its fullest and I’m a very happy person. One of the greatest fears a Christian has is that other people are enjoying life, doing things that Christians cannot, or can’t without immense guilt anyway, and we’re not going to face any kind of judgment for it. The Christians fear all their sacrifice is for nothing, and they KNOW the rest of us or a lot happier than they are because we aren’t torturing ourselves with other people’s delusions.
I don’t have my own radio show but I have been the only guest on a couple different Christian radio programs, one on the same network Steve is on and my Emails were the subject of 2 hour long shows hosted by Gary DeMar. I have book that should get published within a year and I’ll be glad to let anyone interested sample some of the material in it.
One of the most condescending things a theist can do to an atheist is to make a point of announcing that they'll be praying for us. Atheists don't believe in the power of prayer, but even theists can't think that prayer will be more effective for having announced. So what's the purpose? Some say that it's to express well-wishes, but people say that they'll pray for someone when the person is sick or having trouble. One way or another, the theist appears to be expressing superiority over atheists in a passive-aggressive manner. That suggests they weren't interested in serious conversation to begin with. - By Austin Cline, originally on about.com