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What would Jesus say to Tiger Woods?

Posted on Friday, Jan 22nd, 2010 at 11:50am by SteveNoble

Britt Hume dared to suggest that Tiger Woods needed Jesus, but what do YOU think?  What would Jesus say to Tiger Woods the rich man...the star...the adulterer...the Buddhist?

 

Just do it!

Ask Jesus to forgive. In your heart know you need forgiveness. Let God work it out and just reach out to him. Us humans can screw it up if we try to do it ourselves.

He can go to sex addict clinic and get one thing addressed and perhaps not well.. Or he can go to the "Jesus" clinic and get the whole works.

I think...

I think Jesus would say to Tiger exactly what he says to all of us......"You are forgiven. Repent and be saved."

stop gissiping

Jesus would tell Tiger Woods he was free in Christ and to go and sin no more if he would turn to Him. He would also tell you the same if you would repent of gossiping about him.

not gossip

Asking the question is not gossip, Lisa. Gossip would be impuning his character by leveling accusations or coming to conclusions when he is not able to defend himself. I have no interest in doing either. I want to see how well Christians know Christ...and asking them to speak for Him is a great way to do that.

Gossip

Ah, but Steve-O, you ARE gossiping!
You have no direct knowledge that Tiger Woods is either an adulter or, for that matter, a Buhddist. But you felt confident in using those degrading terms. You are quoting Fox News (the leader in non-fact-checked reporting), for crying out loud!
And to hide behind Jesus while you cast insults at a great American is shameful.
Bad Steve.

huh?

No direct knowledge? True, but do you have "direct knowledge" that there is no air on the moon? Of course not, but the evidence is clear, right? Let's see...Tiger has not refuted anything, his wife is bailing, he's in a sex clinic and tons of people are "coming out" to discuss his exploits. Hmmm...yeah, you must be right. Tiger probably hasn't done anything wrong. I'm not hiding behind Jesus, Fred...just applying His Words to the situation.

The great thing is we have

The great thing is we have an exact example in the Word of what Jesus would do with an adulterer: Let him who is without sin throw the first stone. It does not matter whether Tiger is a Christian, we are. And if we who are supposed to be the light and salt of the earth start to look like heathens who don't know any better, just looking to torment someone who has fallen, shame on us. I just saw his interview after the Master's. We have an answer for the hope within us, yet he looked like a young man without any hope. I pray that we as a community of believers can rise above the mediocrity of this world and pray for Tiger to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus and actually demonstrate Jesus' love, forgiveness, and compassion to him so that it would help draw him to Jesus, not repel him by mean-spirited judgement and condemnation. My goodness. How great is that darkness when those who have been in the light shut out Jesus.

dont judge, unless...

"It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it is certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person from among you"."

Corinthians 5:12-13, New Living Translation

Buddha's dead

He'd say more than Buddha. Buddha's dead; Jesus isn't.

Jesus isn't dead because you

Jesus isn't dead because you have to have lived first before you can be dead. Neither Buddha or Jesus did that.

yawn

Here we go again...Boris the Awesome Atheist has all the famous scholars beaten because HE KNOWS that Jesus is a fake. Boris - you are still drinking all the internet kool-aid! Get some original material...most of your comments I can find verbatim on goofball atheist nut-job websites.

...and Steve knows about

...and Steve knows about "goofball nut-job websites".

Tiger's friend, PGA tour

Tiger's friend, PGA tour golfer and CBS Sports commentator David Feherty said: "If God wanted people to believe in him, why'd he invent logic then?"

Ahhhh

Wow! Deep. Logic leads you to the Creator...rebellion and a darkened mind leads you away. I guess that's why he's a sports commentator and not something that requires a little more mental strength.

If logic really led to a

If logic really led to a Creator then why is Christian dogma so illogical and absurd? Instead of actually using logic to make his argument, Steve vilifies unbelief as if not being able to buy into a belief system that involves absurd invisible beings such as angels, demons, seraphs, Satan and so on is somehow morally wrong. Instead Steve justifies his and his religion's inability to prove its ridiculous claims by espousing the supposed "virtue of faith" as if the acceptance of unproven hypotheses and ancient religious dogma is somehow a sign of superior morals and ethics. If that were true we should see this reflected in superior morals and ethics of believers over non-Christians. But we don't and quite often the opposite is the case. Steve also displays a profound ignorance of what atheism is with his absurd claim that people can actually rebel against a magical Being they don't believe even exists. Why do you Christians rebel against Allah? See what I mean. You can't rebel against a God you don't believe exists.

wow

Boris refuses to accept the FACT that Christianity has led to all of the greatest cultural advances in terms of peace, love, fairness and acceptance. He'll bring up the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, Hitler was a Christian, Slavery, the brutality of the Old Testament, etc. etc. etc. as his "proof" that Christianity, while being an absolute farce and the greatest hoax of all time, has been a nightmare as far as it's influence on the world. His arguments are canned, his attitude arrogant and condescending, his mind darkened and his heart hardened. Despite the fact that he has outwitted virtually every reputable Historian of the past 400+ years with his discovery that Jesus never lived and therefore every Christian (not to mention all those famous historians) is just a pathetic dope, you won't find Boris (since he won't tell us his real name) on the cover of any magazine, hosting any radio show or lecturing at any major university. How could such brilliance go unnoticed? Who cares? We are all just advanced animals living meaningless lives with no freewill and no ultimate purpose for living. Perhaps that worldview is why Boris tends to come across the way that he does...or could it be something more profound? Darker? Perhaps more disturbing? I'm concerned that Boris is angry for some pretty good reasons, but refuses to go to the only source that can ease his pain and give him peace. I guess that's why I still pray for him from time to time. I hope he's not like Pharaoh by this point in his life, but all indications are that he is. How sad. If you are a believer, please join me in praying for Boris' salvation.

Even if it were true that

Even if it were true that Christianity has led to the greatest cultural advances that would have no bearing on whether the religion is what it claims to be. Other religions that predate Christianity such as Buddhism and Hinduism have certainly taught peace, love, fairness and acceptance as well and the sayings of Buddha and Krishna also predate those attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, yet they are strikingly similar. Is the profound effect for good on people’s lives from these religions evidence that Hinduism and Buddhism must be true? All religions teach the same things and their members all make the same claims. No religion can claim to be a force for good however, unless it can restrain evil, especially among its own ranks. Anyway the claim that Christianity has led to the greatest cultural advances is Christian propaganda that honest historians always disagree with. Muckraking journalist E. Haldeman-Julius said, “The influences that have lifted the race to a higher moral level are education, freedom, leisure, the humanizing tendency of a better-supplied and more interesting life. In a word, science and liberalism… have accomplished the very things for which religion claims credit.” One thing that really angers some atheists is the hijacking of morality by religion. Religion didn’t invent morality – it was the other ay around; morality invented religion.

There have been many well-known people including historians that have doubted the existence of Jesus Christ. Thomas Paine wrote in “An Essay on the Origin of Free-Masonry” that, “The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.” “As for myself, I do not believe that such a person as Jesus Christ ever existed; but as the people are inclined to superstition it is proper not to oppose them” - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821). What is really ludicrous about Steve’s claim though, if you just stop and think about it for a minute, is that the whole purpose of the brief 2nd book of John is to admonish followers not to listen to the many people who were telling them the truth, that Jesus never really existed. Thus, soon after Jesus allegedly existed many people were clearly claiming that he didn't exist. And rather than write to these unbelievers in a rational manner and present them with overwhelming evidence that Jesus really had existed just a short time ago, and all the miraculous things said to have happened really did happen, the writer instead admonishes his readers to stay away from these people. "Do not take him into your house or welcome him." The writer stigmatizes these people as "the deceiver" and "the antichrist" who do "wicked work," and further stigmatizes anyone who should listen to them. Robert Taylor stated the facts of the situation very eloquently:

“We might, say they, as well affect to deny the existence of such an individual as Alexander the Great, or of Napoleon Bonaparte, and so set at defiance the evidence of all facts but such as our senses have attested. It being quite forgotten that the existence of Alexander and Napoleon was not miraculous, and that there never was on earth one other real personage whose existence as a real personage was denied and disclaimed even as soon as ever it was asserted, as was the case with respect to the assumed personality of Christ.”

Sure the majority of people

Sure the majority of people in the Western cultures, even non-Christians have believed that Jesus was a historical person. That only speaks to the great propaganda job the Christian Church has been able to pull off because when you actually look at what Christian apologists throw out there as extra-biblical “evidence” for a historical Jesus it’s ludicrous. It’s proof that there isn’t any evidence that Jesus Christ actually existed, is what it is. No one would accept hearsay accounts from 60 to 82 years after the supposed fact as evidence for anything and NO ONE would try to use this flimsy “evidence” to prove anything if they had ANYTHING else. Steve, appeals to authority are a logical fallacy. I don’t care what “scholars” who believe in angels, demons and an absurd being like Satan believe about their Jesus. Let’s see what evidence from outside the Bible YOU or anyone else on this blog can come up with to make a case that Jesus Christ actually existed. Why do you have to rely on what other people have said or what they believed? If there’s evidence for your case, produce it. I say there isn’t and the appeal to what the masses have believed is a mere smokescreen. I honestly think most Christians are afraid to peek behind that smokescreen and see how weak their case actually is.

Now let me address Steve’s statement that I believe “We are all just advanced animals living meaningless lives with no freewill and no ultimate purpose for living.” The fact that life is inherently meaningless and has no ultimate purpose is not a bad thing. This means that each one of us can give our own lives whatever meaning and purpose we choose, which is not only freewill, it’s the ultimate free lunch. My father told me never to turn down a free meal. I’m enjoying life to its fullest and I’m a very happy person. One of the greatest fears a Christian has is that other people are enjoying life, doing things that Christians cannot, or can’t without immense guilt anyway, and we’re not going to face any kind of judgment for it. The Christians fear all their sacrifice is for nothing, and they KNOW the rest of us or a lot happier than they are because we aren’t torturing ourselves with other people’s delusions.
I don’t have my own radio show but I have been the only guest on a couple different Christian radio programs, one on the same network Steve is on and my Emails were the subject of 2 hour long shows hosted by Gary DeMar. I have book that should get published within a year and I’ll be glad to let anyone interested sample some of the material in it.

One of the most condescending things a theist can do to an atheist is to make a point of announcing that they'll be praying for us. Atheists don't believe in the power of prayer, but even theists can't think that prayer will be more effective for having announced. So what's the purpose? Some say that it's to express well-wishes, but people say that they'll pray for someone when the person is sick or having trouble. One way or another, the theist appears to be expressing superiority over atheists in a passive-aggressive manner. That suggests they weren't interested in serious conversation to begin with. - By Austin Cline, originally on about.com

Don't waste your time

Don't waste your time praying for my salvation. Salvation is a superstition based on absolutely nothing, like the rest of your hokey beliefs. No atheist would want to be sentenced to eternity in the Christian heaven. If it were all really true every atheist I know would prefer to take their chances in hell because the Christian heaven definitely sounds much worse. Chris Hitchens so eloquently put it this way: "Just consider for a moment what their [the devout's] heaven looks like. Endless praise and adoration, limitless abnegation of self; a celestial North Korea. If I were really offered a free ticket to heaven I would have to say "No thanks."

I don't believe this

I don't believe this question belongs here. It is none of our business.

Woods is not even a Christian. In this country we have guaranteed freedom of religion.

What a tawdry subject anyway, really - too voyeuristic for my taste.

What if "our savior" spoke to this guy? really?

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