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Is America a "Christian Nation"?

Posted on Saturday, Apr 18th, 2009 at 10:33am by SteveNoble

President Obama doesn't think so...Newsweek magazine doesn't think so...what do you think?

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Obamanation

As President, Obama is not obliged to embrace Christianity on behalf of the country. Saying "we are not a Christian nation" publicly however, speaks clearly to his political naivite. The comment will come back to bite him in the near future.

As to whether his statement was accurate; possibly. We are less a Christian nation than a nation founded by Christians. The argument that our core is in 'Judeo-Christian' values diminishes by the day as more and more Christians in name only abdicate their responsibility to those values.

As our leaders promote an "anything goes" agenda and the bleating sheep follow, Christianity does not seem to be faring well in its role as the stop-gap to a morally bankrupt society.

Thankfully Called2Action and other vocal organizations are helping to keep us a bit above the fray.

Christianity headed where?

As a practising Baptist, besides the Bible,which is History I have always devoured histoy. It too ia a lesson in History. When Israel turned its back on God, through Isaiah they were told they would be destroyed and only a remnant would suvive, not until World War II did the scattered Jews get a foot hold. The Romans when they forsook the Lord and practiced immorality. same sex partners and Idols they too went down. move on through Empires of great power and each ultimately fell because they abandoned God and practised extreme imorality. Read the Book of Revelation it tells explict details as to what is going to happen unless we return completely to God. Our problem is the rapidly growing rich and powerful Group made up of Legislatures, Media and Hollywood bolstered by the heavily brain washed School Children (Who the Scholars cry out about but they are ignored). I call this Cult A.I.D.S, with apologies to the Victims of the sexual disease. This new powerful Cult is deterimened to destroy the American way of life. The full name is ARROGANT, IGNORANT, DEMONIC SOCIALISTS. FDR came close to Socialism but we the people woke up in time. Obama has already passed FDR and is seeking control of our lives. Imagine, We God fearing belivers who still agree our Constitution is God blessed, and the men and women who stood up against the evil agressors are now considered by OBAMANATION as potential Terrorist. We have only one prediction not completed in the Nitkita K's message. Let us Stand up and be counted among those who are God followers and defenders of our Constitution. United we Stand divided we fall

The Christian nation hoax

The Christian clergy of the Revolutionary period tried again and again to have references to Christianity inserted directly into the U.S. Constitution, but they were refused every time by the Founders.

Certainly the Rev. James Wilson, a Reformed Presbyterian minister, felt that James Madison was an infidel. In his attack on the US Constitution, Prince Messiah’s Claim to Dominion Over all Governments: and the Disregard of His Authority by the United States, in the Federal Constitution (1832) Rev. Wilson laments the lack of a Christian founding. Wilson claimed:
It is believed, that there never existed, previous to this constitution, any national deed like this, since the creation of the world. A nation having no God! In vain shall we search the annals of pagan Greece and Rome, of modern Asia, Africa, pagan America, and the isles of the sea—they have all worshipped some God. The United States have none. But here let us pause over this astounding fact. Was it a mere omission? Did the convention that framed the constitution forget to name the living God? Was this an omission in some moment of national frenzy, when the nation forgot God? That, indeed, were a great sin. God says, "the nations that forget God, shall be turned into hell." [Ps. 9:17.] It was not, however, a thoughtless act, an undesigned omission. It was a deliberate deed, whereby God was rejected; and in the true atheistical spirit of the whole instrument, and of course, done with intent to declare national independence of the Lord of hosts.
As far as Wilson could see not one of the seven residents of the White House, to that date, had been a Christian. For Washington he says: “There is no satisfactory evidence that Washington was a professor of the Christian religion , or even a speculative believer in its divinity...” and he “was President of the convention, that voted the name of the living God out of the Constitution.” Wilson notes that Adams, who was a Unitarian, took office next followed by Jefferson, “an avowed infidel, and notoriously addicted to immorality.” And then we come to James Madison:
Mr. Jefferson’s successor, Mr. Madison, was educated by godly parents, with a view to the Ministry of reconciliation. He commenced the study of Theology, under the care of Dr. Witherspoon, President of Princeton College, where he attended a prayer meeting of the pious youth of that Seminary, who were preparing for the Holy Ministry.
When he returned from Princeton to his fathers house in Virginia, Mr. Jefferson was a young village lawyer, who had attracted the notice of the neighborhood, by his regular business habits, in collecting debts, drawing indentures, &c.
Madison, to the grief of his parents, abandoned the study of Theology, and entered the office of the infidel and libertine Jefferson, as a student of law. Though Mr. Madison has pledged himself neither in public nor private, to the belief of Christianity, yet he is not known to have employed his influence, like Jefferson, in attempts to abolish the Christian Faith.

Rev. Wilson called President Monroe “a second rate Athenian Philosopher” and declined to say much about Presidents John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson since they “are yet in public life” but the said that no “Federal Cabinet since the first formed, has given any more evidence for the fear of the Lord, than did that of Washington.”

It would be fair to say that the “preponderance of the evidence” is that Mr. Madison was a deist but it is not “beyond a shadow of a doubt.” But then it doesn’t have to be. The evidence that does exist certainly indicates that Madison was not a Christian. His close friendship with Jefferson must have had some impact on his ideas especially since Jefferson was so strongly an opponent of Christian theology in his personal life, something no close friend would fail to notice. To have worked this intimately with a man for decades would, no doubt, have required some meeting of the minds on this matter. That Madison, even more so than Jefferson, was the architect of the doctrine of separation of church and state, gives more credence to the theory that he was deist. At the same time, what is missing, is one shred of evidence James Madison ever expressed an orthodox view of Christianity after he began his lifelong friendship with Jefferson. With some evidence that Madison was a deist, and none indicating he remained an orthodox Christian, the most honest conclusion is that he probably became an infidel, as his friend, Rev. Balmaine stated.

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