A double helping of cough medicine, and thank you for saying it, Steve! There is an intense sex-related spiritual assault upon the church -- attraction to porn, infidelity and the like -- and a lackadaisical response to it that reflects the American cultural sinkhole. I believe that most Christian men who do awaken to this battle are ashamed of having been snared and want to be victorious in it. Our fight is hard enough against the influences of the World; it's made much harder when women within the church behave immodestly. A woman who greets fellow worshippers with half her chest exposed is no less provocative AND un-Christian than if she were to hand a recovering alcoholic a double-whiskey. There is a place for churchwomen to speak up to their unaware or heedless sisters -- but the message must also come from pastors, elders and other men in authority who will speak gently, but firmly in truth ... not just to the women who are flaunting themselves, but to fathers and husbands as well. ~ Rick R.

A year ago, we had a great debate/argument in our class about what women were wearing. Some people took great offense to it, and others didn't really care too much. Yes, women need to be careful about what they wear, but men also have a responsibility as Christians to let God change their hearts so that they follow God no matter what other women are wearing. I believe that it is up to the older, more mature women in the church to discuss clothes with the younger women. Especially, since this is a subjective matter in some aspects. Tight clothes (what is too tight?), showing too much cleavage (what is too much clevage), short skirts (when does a skirt become too short), jeans to church (are certain types of clothes wrong to wear on Sunday?), women wearing pants (for years, women had to wear coolots(spelling) and could not wear pants in the Baptist churches), and the list can go on and on. Also a women can wear all the right clothes and still appear sexually appealing to men in the class so is this wrong. I think we can get off track looking at what others are doing instead of building up our inner soul to come to a point where we do not have to worry about what others are wearing.

Having a hard time with the "slut" label...which implies intentionality. I truly think most women who dress immodestly are conditioned by the culture (and uncorrected by the church) that it is acceptable. I think most are clueless that what passes for fashion today has a carnal influence on the men and young boys in their midst. However, I do agree that more men in leadership (including fathers and husbands), and women (especially mature types) need to draw attention to the fact that some dress is inappropriate in church (and anywhere else for that matter). Many have argued that imposing a more modest standard of dress (not a "code" that prescribes hemline length) may preclude some from attending because they can't "afford" nice clothing or don't "have anything else to wear." That's not an argument that holds much sway when so many women in the church likely have closets full of clothing they could offer...along with some mentoring assistance, for those "with nothing else to wear." To those who say imposing a standard is akin to requiring burqas I say they are simply looking to be offended. It is not an unreasonable expectation that women dress in a manner that brings no offense, honors God in a place of worship, and demonstrates a desire to be an example to others both within the church and without. A standard of modest dress is a reasonable means of protecting men from being tempted to lust and from women being objectified. True, men can and do lust regardless of the depth of a neckline just as women can and do lust after a fully-suited man...lust takes many forms - especially including emotional lust - and is not unlike the old saying that "sin has many tools but the lie is the handle that fits them all." Lust likewise takes many forms...but the church should be keen to help prevent the physical and visual lust that provocative attire can ignite while addressing other forms of lust in appropriate ways. I will agree with "Anonymous" point on "an intense sex-related spiritual assault." Pornography's influence within church walls severely erodes the mission of the church. By trapping men (and a growing amount of women) in a double life that uses shame, guilt and deceit to keep hidden, it debilitates their ability and willingness to participate in ministry to others. When you understand that upwards of 40-50% of the male population of any given church, and perhaps 30% of Pastors, are compromised by occasional porn use or worse, habitual abuse and sexual addiction, is it any wonder that the church's willingness and ability to address other issues of social importance (abortion, homosexuality, end-of-life issues, etc.) is effectively neutered. Unless and until the church is willing to confront porn's influence, i.e. "name the demon" and to deal with it honestly, the church will continue to limp along the sidelines in the culture war. Clint C~

When I lived in Nashville, Tn I attended a very popular and well known church. One of my friends was very big into the music scene, he had a guy who had come to Nashville to "Make it Big" in country music. Soon after arriving to Music City he was converted to Christianity and lost all desire to pursue that genre of music and he also began attending this church. The story goes that many people recognized him and kept asking him to sing for the church and he would humbly reply he "wasn't ready yet." Eventually he gave in and stood on the platform before the congregation one Sunday morning he played a few bars and had to stop. He told the congregation, "I'm sorry, but if I am going to sing and keep my focus you women will have to put some clothes on it is hard for me because I don't see a difference in how women dress in the bars and how they dress in the church. I just can't do this," and then stepped down. If a woman is lost I do not expect her to understand nor desire to follow God's Word on her dress but if a woman claims to be in Christ then I expect her to dress modestly. This is part Holy Spirit convicting and Titus 2 women mentoring and teaching. But there are some times where maybe you should just corral all the women and let a lady of the church be very blunt and honest hailing "cover up!" This of course should be done in love and by someone who is already living by the dress code. The pastor's wives and daughters can't be wearing the shortest skirts in church and tell everyone else how to dress appropriatly. And yes, it is sad that we have to deal with this issue, as a Sunday School teacher I had to confront a parent and child on the length of a skirt and though the parent agreed with me the child's dress never changed! It was most frustrating! Don't tell me you can't control what your child wears, if they live under your roof and you buy their clothes then DON'T BRING IT HOME FROM THE STORE! If you do their laundry and they snuck it in, throw it out while their at school? Oh well, guess they'll learn not to waste their money on skimmpy clothes. Parents need to keep the upper hand, mine did! And I am a married woman on my own and still respect the dress code my parents had for me growing up.

THANK YOU!!!!! I just wish I thought that women in my own church would listen. What concerns me the most is that women who work with our youth are some of the worst examples. Even our female youth director! It embarrasses me, as a Christian woman, and I think about what it must do to those teenage boys!!! Plus, what kind of example does it set for our daughters??? This has gotten way out of hand - not just "mild" stuff anymore, but disgusting and appalling dress. MY Bible says that we are not to call any attention to ourselves, and the word "pure" runs throughout God's word. Please don't let this stop with just Saturday's broadcast. Help us know what we can do to stop this. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see this also, and it's very disturbing! It's inappropriate and disrespectful for a place of worship (God said nakedness is shameful, did he not?). I have a husband and 3 of my children are boys...Do they need to see women/girls dressed like hookers in church?!!! I really don't think so. I wish they would show some respect for God, others, and themselves by covering up their nakedness. Btw: *Any* amount of cleavage it too much! Breasts should be covered completely, it's a no-brainer. Sleeves are too short if armpits can be seen when arm is lifted (gross besides being immodest), skirt is too short if it goes above the knee when SITTING, tight means less than 1" of "play" in the garment, whether it's pants, skirt, blouse, etc. If it's "form fitting" or made of stretch material, it's "TIGHT". Why reveal so much of your body shape in church???!!! Do it the bedroom ladies, and stop accosting other women's husbands and sons with your lewd attire... It's a stumbling block for them, and advertises the fact that the Holy Spirit does not dwell in you... not something to be proud of!!

You asked where are the husbands and fathers. I'll tell where they are. They're keeping their mouths shut or not being listened to like our society has taught them to over the past 40-50 years. We've so deminished the role of Husband and Father that no one seems to listen and when they do, it's with resentment and limited support from the many of the wives and children. We've become a nation, even in the Christian community, that doesn't value or listen to men unless it agrees with women and children. While men have some responsibility in this if no one's listening and they're always told they're stupid or wrong when their opinions go against the grain then they get tired of trying. You can judge me in this all you want but it's true whether or not you like it. The media, women's groups, the Church, have all, in their efforts to build women up (which was needed in many things) have gone overboard and now no one listens to dad much. Dad's are right far more than they're given credit for. I attend a Methodist Church and they are the world's worst for this practice. I know that this is not exactly the point but it all fits together. We've deminished the power of dads. Women and kids are more focused on individuality rather than serving the Lord. I know that I may sound out in left field to folks but people don't seem to see that all of this works together to breakdown the Church and society. If we don't start working together more on this stuff and start setting some rules for appropriate dress and conduct then we will still be seeing girls and boys dress trashy and not be able fight off the evil in the world.

Dear readers: I still wear a tie/jacket as often as I can. Some men wear shorts and flip flops to Sunday church. And women the same. Modesty is close to God. I stay as close to God as I can. Have some respect please. Gerry

I would hope churches would welcome everyone. Eventually ladide will get the message. Wouldn't you rather them be in church than not at all simply because of what they wear. I agree that we should dress to respect God, as that's how i I was brought up but church is for everyone. Don't get all holier than thou. All men, even Christian men, like to look at beautiful women. It's not fair to call women sluts. Look who is "buying". Look back at prostitution. Women wouldn't be selling if there were no market. Men are always a market b/c they want the easy path. You guys need to get a clue. The men are the sluts here. Women think they need to dress that way to catch the eyes of the men. That's what society has told them. Bring them into church and discretely show them another way. Don't run them off. There are many impure pastors and church members. Let's look at all the fallen leaders of our churches, who once sat on their high and mighty pedestals and told us all how to behave. Let's all be a little more loving and more respectful of everyone. Steve included.

I attend a very traditional church, and we do not have a big problem with dress. I believe that music standards and dress standards go hand in hand. If you have gone contemporary with your music, and you are trying to draw the world with the world's methods, then your dress will be worldly as well. I don't think anyone here expects unbelievers or new Christians to know how to dress to please the Lord, but they should notice a difference before long if they are in a church that loves the Lord, that things are different there.

1) This is in direct violation of the scriptures. 2) This is not proper behavior of Christians. 3) People must understand that worship services (wether on a beach in Hawaii, in a home Church, in a store front Church or a traditional building) this is God's presence, dress accordingly. 4) The lost are comming in as well, dressing as well as they can, they are dressing as well as those that are around them and that dress may be the clothes they may have worn to a club earlier. 5) What is the mindset of those women and girls going to Church? Are they looking for a mate? If so, the best dress in the one put on the soul, not the body.

I have the comments and quite frankly I find it all hogwash. I don't see women dressing like sluts at church. I see stylish and attractive outfits. I also see "grundge" and dowdy clothing on most of the women. It is as if they don't know they are a sexual being. Men are visual and women do want to attract men. However, most women at church dressed as you all seem to think, sluts, are married and merely want to dress nicely for their spouse. I also think the husbands like their wife to look nice. They are not hookers and if anyone thinks this is the way they look then shame on you. I prefer my wife to look attractive and stylish and not like some dowdy old fashioned or lack of fashion sense. I believe most marriage fail because of lack of attention to looks and to sex in the marriage by most wives. I have never asked anyone who got a divorce if their wife look and dressed attractively and found a postive answer. Most men who have affairs have a wife lacking in being an attractively dressed woman. Marriages would be stronger if women cared about their looks and sex. A church would be stronger if people in churches who think that by dictating their "standards" would readjust their warped attitudes. Looking like you just got out of yard work on casual Friday and coming to church is much more offensive and disgusting than women who dress attractively ( you say sluts) They are dressing for their husbands and other people in the church should control their tongues and thoughts. I vote for women looking nice and I am a very conservative Baptist Christain and believe in God's inerrant word. I also believe that God made us sexual being and to dress nicely is not wrong. They do not dress like "hookers", look up how hookers dress, they just dress stylish and there is nothing wrong with that. Control you own thoughts and lusts and let my wife dress the way that I prefer and she wants to please me and it makes our marriage stronger. Shame on those who label them sluts.

The Sanctuary is Holy ground and should be respected to the highest degree that humankind can. When we go into the Sanctuary to Worship, we should do so with WORSHIP in MIND, not to attract attention or impress ANYONE...we are THERE to attract the attention of GOD through Jesus Christ, and meet with Him for Spiritual growth in our relationship with Him. Women should be careful how they dress - their anatomy may be pleasing to themselves, but it is NOT to other women, and they are NOT IN CHURCH TO ATTRACT MEN BUT TO WORSHIP OUR LORD!!! Modesty and conservatism should be practiced. IF some women knew how they looked in PANTS, they would NEVER put them on again. Pants may be a convenience, but they look horrible to 'dress up' in, ANYTIME! BLUE JEANS SHOULD NEVER BE WORN TO WORSHIP! The Sanctuary is the ONE PLACE a person should put their best image forward FOR THE LORD - YOU ARE NOT THERE TO PLEASE ANYONE BUT GOD; you should NEVER wear indecent-looking fads, or cheap looking rags that are mostly disgraceful; and all those rows of piercings in the face and ears are just absolutely disgusting! ONE pair of earrings is ENOUGH! Leave off rings on every finger! WHO ARE YOU DOING IT FOR? THINK ABOUT THIS, IS IT FOR JESUS CHRIST? DO YOU WANT HIM TO SEE YOU LIKE THIS IN HIS HOLY PLACE? OR ARE YOU TRYING TO SHOW MARY JANE OR SALLY ANN HOW MUCH MORE JUNK YOU HAVE THAN THEY DO? Yes, the Lord IS with us all the Time, but there is a Time and a Place for EVERYTHING - that is Ecclesiastes...look it up, read the whole BOOK and learn how to do things for the Lord. The SAME goes for MEN. What IF the men or the 'boys' decided to wear skin-fitting TIGHTS like the gals do their 'pants' or jeans? Isn't that disgusting? SOME of you may LIKE to look at them like that, but you need to clean your mind up for the Lord. Do you NOT know all of your thoughts, words and deeds are RECORDED IN THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM? ALL THINGS!!! More for the men; there are so-called 'preachers' who will not put on a shirt and tie for the Lord...one I know wears T-shirts, mostly colored, or black, but still T-shirts. Maybe a jacket or sports coat once in a while, but always just casual. And there are others who wear 'colored' shirts - WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE CONSERVATIVE CODE OF DRESS WHEN WHITE SHIRTS WERE 'THE ITEM TO BE SEEN IN'? Any business organization or political official, or servant for the people ALWAYS WEAR A SHIRT AND TIE! Military, policemen, doctors, lawyers, all professional men do, and the real professional women do dress accordingly, or they would NOT have a job - it is just the 'rule of law' for dress codes! And for SPECIAL events, it is a WHITE SHIRT! IS JESUS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR A WHITE SHIRT AND TIE IN HIS HOUSE??? HE IS THE ONE WE SHOULD BE PLEASING - NOT OTHER COMMON HUMAN BEINGS!!! And while you are reading, LEAVE THE CHEWING GUM OUT OF THE HOUSE OF THE LORD...THAT IS RUDE, DISTRACTING, JUST LOW-CLASSED ILL-MANNERED BEHAVIOR! FEED YOUR CHILDREN AT HOME AND LEAVE THEIR TOYS THERE AS WELL! There are nurseries for the children, and they should not be entertained in the SANCTUARY! The Holiness of the Temple in the Bible was a lesson for us to learn how to respect God's Holy ground...what was good for those people then, the same still applies for people today. GOD HAS NOT CHANGED AND WE SHOULD STOP TRYING TO 'MAKE' HIM CHANGE TO SUIT US!!! HE IS GOD, PEOPLE, HE IS GOD; YOU ARE NOT GOD, HE IS GOD!!! YOU ARE TO PLEASE HIM, NOT YOURSELF!!! GOD RECORDED HIS RULES FOR US TO LIVE BY AND WE SHOULD DO IT TO THE LETTER, EVERY DOT AND TITTLE!!! STOP TRYING TO CHANGE JESUS CHRIST INTO BEING A COMMON FILTHY SINNER LIKE WE ARE - HE WILL CHANGE US TO BE LIKE HIM, 'IF WE WILL LET HIM HAVE HIS WAY WITH US'!!!

The entire premise of this discussion is an insulting given the common understanding the words. I think scripture says, "Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths but only what is helpful for edification." As inappropriate as immodest dress is ANYPLACE, this topic name is equally so. Maybe unwholesome radio topics should be next Saturday's show theme? No more wimpy radio, right?

Dress for the Lord as a bride for her groom. Yes, I have noticed youth in our church dress in short, alluring skirts. If I notice, the boys notice too. I, as a parent was always in charge of how my children dressed in church. Sorry, I will miss today but will catch you later. I have a funny story that would embarass my daughter when we lived in Florida. It involves what she wore to school. KSM

While the women's movement has been helpful in so many ways to help the choices women have in life, one of the downsides is that, many young women, like most anybody, confuse freedom of choice with irresponsibility. Many people think "I am my own person and if you don't like who I am, what I do, or how I dress (for example) then that's your responsibility. What these folks fail to realize is that personal responsibility is a two way street. Many times these are the same people who scream the loudest when people in their lives or society give them the same message that "Okay, but I'm not responsible for your poor choices." I can't help but think about women like Paris Hilton, who's main focus seems to be all about "being hot." I also can't help but feel that some day when she's 35 or 40, she's going to start screaming about how no one takes her seriously and no offense ladies, but times women, like men, get to these points and don't make the connection that it was their choices that got them to this place. Their is truth to that BUT there is ALSO truth to the FACT that we are all connected and our (people) choices effect others. I do not like the fact there is a question that are men perverts because of women's choices? Society, the media, women's groups, including enlightened men, and the Church has spent the past 40 to 50 years putting men down, telling us that we don't have the right to "tell women what to do," denouncing the power of men then complaining about why men don't take a leadership role in the Church and family, and saying and doing whatever "keep men in their place" and now (as per usual) we're saying why aren't the men saying or doing anything about this. With freedom and choice comes responsibility. It's also time that we in the Church start working on empowering men and re-building men up if not, then don't ask "why men." We as the Church are failing miserably in this area and chalking it up to men being lazy when we in the Church do nothing to positively reenforce men being in the Church. It may sound like I'm in left field but it all fits together.

I find there are three groups.
grp 1.) Non-Christians
grp 2.) Maturing Christians
grp 3.) Mature Christians

grp 1.) Need to come to Christ
grp 2.) Need to esteem God's word above their desires
grp 3.) Mature Christians should be setting an example and teach what scripture teaches.

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

The above passage must be considered and understood.